Day 06

Questions for Discussion from the Book, More Disciples

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The Revised and Enlarged Version of More Disciples (now available at Amazon) adds significant text, including Questions for Discussion. For the benefit of any who bought the “1.0” version of the book, we’re including those questions here in full so you don’t miss out.

Chapter 1

Why Make More Disciples

  1. How might you have previously answered the question, “What is a disciple?” Do you agree or disagree with the definition provided in this chapter?
  2. How did you view disciple-making before reading this chapter? Compare and contrast your prior understanding with any nuances you’ve picked up from this reading.
  3. This chapter pointed to the fact that the early church seemed all the more to thrive in the midst of persecution. Would you say there is persecution where you will be making disciples? Has the church thrived? Offer some theories as to why or why not?
  4. How might you have previously explained the parable of the lost sheep in Luke 15? As a result of reading this chapter, how has your understanding changed, if at all?
  5. If a friend were to ask, “Does making more disciples somehow add to the global voice offering glory to God,” how would you answer? Explain the basis of your position.


Chapter 2

A Way Forward

  1. Roland Allen’s books weren’t published until some 50 years after he wrote them. Why do you suppose it took a while for others to see value in his writings? (Try doing some research online about this question.)
  2. Some have ventured that Patterson’s approach was remarkably similar to CPM/DMM approaches used today — and it was plainly very effective for his time. Yet it can be said that relatively few churches/workers implemented his strategies. Why do you think it’s seemingly difficult for churches and leaders to change the way they do disciple-making? How might we shift the future?
  3. McGavran witnessed whole villages and sometimes entire districts coming to Christ at once. Try to picture being involved in something like that. How would it change the way you felt about evangelism and church growth? Explain.
  4. Pick one of Garrison’s universal elements that you believe is commonly misunderstood or about which people today have a misconception. Offer some ideas as to why.
  5. Garrison is a researcher. He found that the 10 Universal Elements were present in every movement toward Christ that he studied. How many of these elements might exist in the church that you attend or in the field where you hope to make disciples? How might you be a part of changing the future there?


Chapter 3

Disciple-Making Works

  1. Describe the growth you’ve seen so far in the church you attend or in the field where you hope to make disciples. Compare or contrast this with the case studies illustrated in this chapter. Why might God bring about such movements in one part of the world but not in another? Explain as best you can.
  2. Some of these stories seem almost beyond belief. Yet researchers like Garrison have actually visited and verified the fruit. Imagine how you might feel as you interview members of the 27th generation of disciples in a rapidly-growing movement toward Christ. How would that impact your faith in or walk with Christ? Explain.
  3. Does it bother you that the Global South might end up sending more missionaries than historically mission-active regions like the USA, Europe and Australia? Why or why not?
  4. Does it bother you that the church is growing faster in the Global South than in the Global North? Offer some of your own theories as to why this might be taking place.
  5. Do you believe movements like these can happen in North America? Why or why not?


Chapter 4

Prayer is the Catalyst

  1. If Jesus wants all people to be saved, why do you think prayer seems to be a universal element in launching disciple-making movements? Why do you think God seemingly waits on us to pray?
  2. How might we motivate believers to understand the potential power behind prayer? How could you do so for the initiatives that you are imagining for the church you attend or the place where you hope to make disciples?
  3. If you were asked to pray for an unreached people group, never before engaged with the Good News, what would be some of your requests to God?
  4. Take a moment to look up an unreached people group at Read about their needs and the opportunities for the Good News to spread there. Now take a few minutes actually to put into practice the concept of praying for the people about whom you’re reading.


Chapter 5

Obedience as the Command

  1. Describe a church you have previously attended. (It could be your home church or the one you attend now.) In what ways do you feel this church has emphasized knowledge and attendance? In what ways has this church emphasized obedience and accountability?
  2. Now that you’ve read this chapter, if it were up to you to design the perfect church, how might you recommend that we do church differently? (Note: Please avoid “trashing the bride of Christ.” Please give respect to the church leaders who have gone before us and have done the best they can with what they understood.)
  3. Have you seen churches which have emphasized teaching knowledge more than requiring obedience? If so, in your opinion, what is the root cause for this behavior?
  4. This chapter compared obedience to breathing. What was difficult or helpful for you in looking at obedience in this way? If possible, explain your answer by giving an example?
  5. This chapter opens the door to the concept that we might hear God’s voice in the present rather than merely in the past. Is this concept troubling or encouraging to you? Do you agree or disagree with the idea?


Chapter 6

Discovery-based Learning as the Method

  1. Assess why discovery-based learning might provide a better solution for training leaders in a fast-growing movement? Has your church or organization tried to use this approach? If not, venture guesses as to why not.
  2. Some have said that utilizing the same set of questions about each new Bible passage would become formulaic (the pattern would “get old” or become too mechanical rather quickly). Do you agree or disagree?
  3. What would it mean to you to study the Bible using discovery-based learning? Would you feel you were somehow “missing out” on the insights of a great teacher that you respect or know? Explain.
  4. You’ve probably heard before that “active learning” increases our chances of retaining information. Yet, would you agree or disagree – most churches have retained the form of teaching known as “the sermon.” Offer some best guesses about why the church has retained this approach down through the centuries. Does it create a moral dilemma for you to ponder the possibility of transforming this approach to a new paradigm?
  5. For you personally, does it bother you that discovery-based learning isn’t mentioned per se in the Bible?


Chapter 7

Peer Accountability

  1. Perhaps you’ve already participated in a Bible study in which you were held accountable to make decisions about your actions then follow through with them. (If not, then try to imagine it.) Does it – or would it – annoy you to have someone ask you, the following week, if you followed through? Explain.
  2. The author held that accountability works not because we want to look good (pride), but rather, because we don’t want to look bad (disobedience). Do you agree or disagree? Explain.
  3. This chapter gave some very practical ways to implement accountability at the close of a Bible study. Analyze for your life – does this concept seem too rigid or cult-like to you? Why or why not?
  4. This chapter provided an example of a Bible figure sharing his plans or next steps prior to implementing them. Do you agree or disagree that this is an example of peer accountability? Why or why not?


Chapter 8

Multiplying Groups

  1. This chapter doesn’t criticize a church for meeting in large gatherings. Rather, it points to a way forward that focuses on multiplication rather than addition. Can you think of an example of this in a church or campus ministry that you’ve attended? How might multiplication be a help?
  2. Think hard about your own life. This chapter speaks of regularly being part of two churches – one church or group for our own spiritual worship and a second church or group that we’re helping launch. Ponder this thought for your own life. What would it take for you to implement this concept?
  3. Evaluate the effectiveness of a church or group that you’ve attended compared to the paradigm presented in this chapter. Compare and contrast.
  4. Assume for a moment that multiplication is the best way forward. How might we help the church at large to grasp this paradigm and do it?


Chapter 9

Maximizing Fruit

  1. Compare and contrast the “SOAPS” Bible study approach to the one you’re using now. What are the advantages or disadvantages of each?
  2. Do you believe that being in an accountability group (such as the one described in this chapter) would be helpful for the typical believer? Do you think the typical believer is in such a group? If not, can you venture some guesses as to why or why not?
  3. What would concern you most about participating in a 3/3 group, as described in this chapter? Explain what you think might be some benefits and also some risks.
  4. This chapter offered two key approaches for increasing our own involvement in prayer. (Can you remember them both?) How do these approaches compare or contrast with typical prayer approaches used in churches you’ve attended? Give examples.
  5. Consider the town, city, people group, or country where your church is located or where you hope to make disciples. How does it change the way you think to ask the question, “What’s it going to take for all these people to hear the Good News and follow Jesus?”


Chapter 10

Im pacts on Disciple-Making

  1. Offer some of your best guesses as to why you believe the church seems to flourish in the midst of persecution.
  2. Examine your own life and the amount of time you have to add activities or approaches. When you read the ideas in this book and process the time it would take to implement them, is it sobering for you? Why or why not? How will you personally decide about your time priorities?
  3. Have you ever experienced cross-cultural confusion or “shock?” Give an example.
  4. The author wrote in this chapter that the church can expand rapidly within a common language and/or culture. Is there a language or cultural group that you wish could know and follow Jesus? If so, describe it.
  5. This chapter presents the concept of filtering for a “person of peace” to help introduce you to another culture. Have you ever experienced anything like this (someone introducing you to a new group or crowd)? If so, describe how it worked. Analyze how it might work with the Good News of Jesus.


Chapter 11

Templates for Training

  1. This chapter provides several formats for introducing CPM/DMM strategies in your church or in the place where you hope to make disciples. Imagine for a moment… why would you think the author would offer these formats? What were his intentions? In your opinion, are those intentions valid? Most importantly, how effective would you say his proposed formats might be in your church or in the place where you hope to make disciples?
  2. Evaluate the question: “Is it sneaky to start the organic way?” (In other words, must we gain the approval of our church or organization’s leaders in order to experiment/experience CPM/DMM approaches?)
  3. In your opinion, does the multiplicative approach remind you of network marketing? How is it similar? How is it different? Does it bother you to think of Jesus as asking us to “market” (i.e., persuade people to follow) the Good News? Why or why not?
  4. In your experience, where do these ever-expanding chains break down? In other words, offer some guesses as to what might sabotage a movement.
  5. Based on your learning style, would you rather be involved in a “live training” with an “expert” (an experienced disciple-maker) or would you be comfortable using a web-driven tool like Zúme as your learning approach? Explain.


Chapter 12

Tools and Tips for Im plementers

  1. This chapter presents 17 tools or tips for those wishing to launch CPM/DMM in their particular context. Pick out the top three approaches that would seem the most practical and effective for you, in your church or context. Explain why you chose those three.
  2. Consider the idea of making a list of people for whom you will pray. Does it bother you to think you might be on such a list (that someone else made)? Explain why or why not.
  3. For your learning style and preferences, would you rather learn “Creation to Judgment” (C2J) or the Three Circles Life Conversation? Explain why. What would it take for you to learn such a tool well? Would it be helpful? If so, what’s stopping you?
  4. This chapter mentioned that it might feel, at first, intimidating to think of baptizing someone. Does it seem that way to you? Why or why not?
  5. Is it hard for you to lead others? (For example, are you afraid you’re not good enough to do so?) Explain your answer by referencing the section, “Duckling Discipleship.”


Chapter 13

Frequently Asked Questions

  1. This chapter attempts to discuss how CPM/DMM views the existing church. Explain why that question is difficult to answer. (Hint: Remember that “CPM/DMM” isn’t an organization but an organic collection of strategies and life practices.) In light of what you’ve now learned (or learned previously) about CPM/DMM, how do you view the existing church. (Remember — never trash the bride of Christ.) In an ideal world, what would be your perfect design for the church?
  2. Sometimes in the past, the idea of “discipleship” has meant other things than the way the term “disciple-making” is being used in CPM/DMM world. Compare and contrast with some of the meanings you’ve heard previously. How is the CPM/DMM usage helpful or not helpful? Why?
  3. This chapter pointed out that some CPM/DMM trainers emphasize only baptizing groups (never individuals). How do you feel about this idea? This chapter asserted that the Bible gave examples of instances in which individuals were allowed to come to Christ as individuals. Do you agree or disagree? How do you reconcile these two seeming contradictions between some trainers’ philosophy and these case studies from the Bible?
  4. Analyze the difference between emphasizing “works” and accountability (in CPM/DMM strategies). How do you feel about the difference?
  5. Do you think CPM/DMM will, in the end, be a fad? Give your reasoning.


Chapter 14

A Call for Unity

  1. Try to think of an example of a new product or movement that began with one individual or one company. In those cases, how did it help or hurt the promotion and acceptance of that product or movement? In your opinion, how does it help or hurt that CPM/DMM strategy wasn’t “invented” or isn’t shepherded, as such, by any one person or organization?
  2. At this point in your understanding of implementing CPM/DMM strategy and life practices, would you rather be bold in your proclamation? … or do you see yourself more “laid back?” How will you react when you meet someone who feels it’s imperative to be more forthright in one’s presentation of the Good News? Explain why.
  3. Can you think of any other examples in which Godly men and women have disagreed about doctrine or biblical approaches? Name a couple and give examples of how this has helped or hurt the growth in Kingdom of God worldwide.


Chapter 15

Epilogue: Understanding Faithfulness

  1. Curtis Sergeant feels that two ideas have caused a number of problems in the church today. Which do you think has caused more problems than the other and why?
  2. Does it bother you to consider that you might be following someone who is still “learning to ride a bike?” (In other words, could you see yourself following an imperfect mentor?) Explain your answer.
  3. There have been some disturbing studies recently, like the one referenced in this chapter by Lifeway Research. Can you remember any recent findings about Christendom that shocked you? For example, something about a certain generation falling away or a study about how many people can’t remember what the Great Commission is? How can you reconcile these findings with our current method of discipling believers? In other words, what has gone wrong? How would you fix things if you were in charge?
  4. Where are you on the spectrum of knowledge versus practice? For example, do you believe God can work through a new believer to win or teach others? Why or why not?
  5. This chapter emphasizes a humble spirit for all teachers. Can you remember a preacher or pastor who seemed a bit prideful? How did it impact your willingness to listen and obey?


Wrapping up

Questions for Discussion about the book as a whole:

  1. What did you find most interesting in this book? What did you like?
  2. What did you find most difficult? What caused you the most confusion?
  3. What did you learn about people in this book?
  4. What did this book teach you about God?
  5. Is there anything in this book that you feel called to obey? What will you do about the things you’ve learned? What will be your next step? How will you begin implementing these teachings? Explain.
  6. Is there someone you might be able to train about any of these concepts? (Please write down a name.) Who can you tell that might hold you accountable to do that?
  7. With whom can you share this book and these teachings?

S1E13) The “Let it Start with Me” Song

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In this, the 14th Edition of More Disciples Podcast, Doug Lucas brings Allan up to date on a recent Sunday with a racially mixed church on the west side of Indianapolis, Indiana. On the morning he visited, the church was staging a special missions day that featured a song called, “Let it Start with Me.”

Sitting down with Dad

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I used to think that prayer is not a natural skill I possessed. I would listen to people pray and, even people that didn’t have beautiful language to go with their prayers, they somehow had a better handle on how to talk with God. It wasn’t until I realized that what prayer really is, a conversation with the Creator of the Universe, I call Him dad. That’s when I found both the reverence and the closeness I was missing. I stumbled on an article recently, by David L. Fleming, SJ, about Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuit order of monks. He says, “Ignatius describes his ministry by the simple Spanish word conversar. Conversar means “to converse,” “to talk with.” Its simplest meaning in English is sincere talk with another person, the kind of comfortable, satisfying conversation whereby we truly get to know someone else.” I want to truly get to know God in such a way that I just talk to Him. Listing 25 people to focus on is a great exercise for me to remember what it is my time with Abba is about. I just have to think, if I conversar (please excuse the terrible Spanish use), with God, and I get comfortable with that, how much better will I be doing the same with the people I am praying for?

Expanding My Regulars

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I have to admit, I have writer’s block this week. I just feel…off. Maybe it’s the rainy weather putting me in a funk? Maybe it’s much-needed down time, as my prayer partners have pointed out? Whatever the cause, I refuse to give up and let the enemy win! 🙂

Day 6 Challenge was to list 25 people to pray for that I interact with regularly, and to make note of the ones that do no know Jesus Christ. After I made the list, I realized that especially now that I don’t work a full-time job, I don’t hardly interact with anyone at all on a regular basis, let alone those that don’t have a relationship with Jesus!

Lord, lead us to new opportunities to build relationships with the lost, while protecting us from temptation. Guide and direct our every step, and help us to get out of our little boxes so that we can reach this lost world for You. In Jesus’ Name, Amen.



Discipleship Through the Eyes of Youth: Day 6

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As I created my list of 25 people today, I became aware of the lostness of my family and was burdened. My parents are first generation Christians and none of my grandparents, uncles, aunts, or cousins attend church or have a growing relationship with Christ. If you asked them most of them would say they believe in Christ, but none of their actions show pursuit towards him or effort in building a relationship with him. I’ve been praying for various family members for years now. But tonight the realization hit me that none of my family (except my parents and sisters) are disciples pursuing Christ. My heart is so hurt. I love my family so much and I just want them to experience fulfillment in Christ. My parents have tried to talk to my relatives numerous times but they always come back rejected. I’ve watched my family members try and fill the Christ sized holes in their hearts with the various fallacies of this world but yet, they never find fulfillment. It’s like watching a sick person die through a hospital window when you have their cure on the other side, but they won’t unlock the door and let you in to give it to them. Only Christ and his Holy Spirit can change my family’s hearts. I pray that He moves in them and awakens them. My hope is that a yearning for the presence of God will bloom within them.

Also this morning my preacher taught on one of the Beatitudes, so I thought it was fitting to make that my verse to meditate on today…

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven”

– Matt 5:3-

It’s also fitting for me today as I am burdened by the lost hearts of my family because it reminds me that we are blessed when we are poor in spirit, at the end of our ropes, and have nothing left because that’s when we fully rely on Christ. That’s kind of where I’m at with my family, I’ve realized nothing I can do will save them. I’m powerless and fresh out of ideas, but in my weakness Christ has full power and authority to move.

Day 6 – List of 25 Names

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A prayer list is not new for me.  I’ve always worked better from a to-do list, and a daily routine.  Okay, so I made my list of 25 people (or, couples).  My list is sitting here right in front of me, here in my office.  The same place where I wrote it.  The problem — I left it here in my office over the weekend.  So, I learned a valuable lesson right off the bat; one that I can share with others when I pray for them and encourage them to make their own prayer list.  You know what that lesson is:  when you make your list, put it on something you always carry with you, like your cell phone or tattooed up and down your arms.  Though, if you choose Matthew 5:30 as the verse to obey, you might loose the arm with all the names.  So, my advice is to put your list on you cell phone.  I know what you’re thinking — when people have no arms, they learn to do amazing things with their toes — even using cell phones. 🙂

Day 6: Its 11:15 at night!

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It is late at night and my challenge today did not go well.  It is spring and I manage a garden center.  We had 7 trucks of plants arrive today and we got most of them unloaded, tagged, and put away.  I am looking at my activity tracker right now and it says I have put on 8.29 miles today.  That is just from work mainly.  I guess I don’t need to go to the gym today:)  I loved the duckling video and how we just need to be one step ahead of the person behind us.  I equate that to what I have read on customer service and what I tell my employees “The best salesperson is one line ahead of the customer on the sign.”  You don’t need to be an expert to sell something and you don’t need to be an expert to be a disciplemaker.  You just need to be teachable and willing.

In my head I started going through the list of 25 people.  Starting with people I interact with regularly at work.   Then I moved to places I visit frequently and who is there and then I just thought about people I know who are hurting and struggling.  I did not get to the Matthew passage as we have been dealing with some tough stuff in some marriages of people that are near and dear to us.  I also am trying to get through the whole book of Luke by tomorrow because that is the challenge for our discipleship group this week.  There is only so much time in the day and today was full!  In a good way.  A priest at the native american reservation told me once not to use the word “busy” but to replace the word busy with “many opportunities.”  Instead of doing Matthew I did devotions and went through Luke for a half an hour with my two boys who are 13 and 14.  We have been using the SOAP acronym when we do devotions together and after reading this I am going to have to add the “S” to the end and challenge them to share it with others.  Looking forward to the next day and what that brings!

Discipleship When Life Is Busy: Day 6

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Day 6: Intercession and Our Spiritual Core.  Today’s challenge was to create a list of 25 people that you interact with regularly and to pray for them.  Then to read through Matthew 5-7 and complete a SOAPS study on this passage.

I have to admit that today I am exhausted.  I don’t know whether it’s the weather, or my kiddos waking up at night, or my participation in a Steps challenge at work (who knew that walking 10,000 steps a day was so hard!? Apparently, I need to add working out to my to-do list as well), but I am tired tonight.  I started my list of 25 people earlier in the day and then finished it this evening.  At first, I had a hard time thinking of 25 people because I was trying to list only people I interact with on a daily basis.  Then I realized that I interact with many people I don’t see every single day, such as family, friends, etc.  So, I started with people at work, then moved to friends and family that I love to interact with but maybe don’t see every single day.  I spent time this evening praying for the people on that list.  There are a few people who are already believers on the list, but I tried to think of people who maybe aren’t believers, or who I am unsure of where they stand with God.

Then I spent time working through Matthew.  I will admit, this is the first time I didn’t completely finish something.  I was so tired reading through Matthew tonight that I kept falling asleep.  I did complete the study through Matthew 5 though, and I am committing to starting this task earlier (and maybe attempting to get more sleep..haha) so that I am not quite as tired and can complete this every day.  The verses I chose to focus on tonight were:

You are the light of the world.  A city on a hill cannot be hidden.  Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl.  Instead, they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.  In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

Matthew 5: 14-16

I felt that these verses spoke very plainly to what we were tasked with today.  We should be a light to the people we interact with on a regular basis.

Oh, I almost forgot…If you didn’t watch the video connected with today, please take 2 minutes and watch it.  It helped me to think about discipleship in a way that I really had never thought about before.  I think sometimes we think that we have to have all of the answers and know everything about God and not have any questions ourselves in order to lead people to Christ, and that is completely false.  We just have to be “one step ahead” to share what we know and believe with other people.


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Does church growth always happen in predictable patterns, along predictable lines, in predictable sequences? Not necessarily, says Curtis Sergeant, trainer in DMM principles. Nature would tend to agree. Check out the Gulin Mountains  in the header picture above. See how there are beautiful patterns which appear, at first, regular and symmetric, but, upon further study, can sometimes be wildly random. Listen as he explains his position about disciple making movements (DMM) — and think about the examples you’ve studied in God’s word. Can you remember instances in which people became disciples in nonsequential ways?

Help YOUR Church figure out How to Make More Disciples

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If you tuned in with Curtis Sergeant for our webinar at noon on Feb. 24, it will come as no shock that Curtis shared a LOT of information. Looking for written summary? So were a lot of others! Well guess what: Elisha is here to serve you! Forgot about the Eastern Time zone thing and mised it? No problem. Elisha’s got your back! Here’s a rough copy of her notes from the meeting. (Thanks Elisha!)



The Greatest Blessing

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DMM Trainers sometimes talk about what a great blessing it is to tell others about Jesus. But the GREATEST blessing, even beyond that, is… well listen to Curtis describe it below.

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