Day 27

21) Rob Jankowski: Relational Stewardship / Chat

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In this, the 21st episode of the More Disciples podcast, we join Rob Jankowski at a training program with the church he leads, New Hope Christian Church in Whitestown, Indiana. He explains relational stewardship and also “CHAT.”

Also, check out these resources for CHAT:
Background for CHAT groups
CHAT Group Questions
CHAT for Children

Oikos Mapping

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In this brief video by Chuck Wood, we learn about Oikos mapping, especially as it relates to praying for those we haven’t met yet — and for those we HAVE met who are still far from God.

Discipleship Through the Eyes of Youth: Day 27

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Today’s challenge was to make a list of 5 people who you could call and ask to start a 3/3rds group with. I made my list of a few girls who I want to continue to meet with even after I go off to college so I think starting a 3/3rds group with them would be a good way to hold ourselves accountable to our meetings. I’m going to meet with the girls I have in mind once I get back from vacation in person and talk to them about it. Hopefully we will be able to start a 3/3rds group together!

Day 27 – Oikos Groups

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I immersed Uncle Job into Christ when he was in his late 70’s.  He had been born in the hometown of Confucius.  Was raised Buddhist.  He had traveled the world as a merchant marine; and had studied every world religion.  When he met Jesus, he immediately knew Jesus was the real thing he’d been searching for all these years.  Operating upon the belief that he had not much time left; his mission field became the local park, which he walked twice daily.  Uncle Job never tired of telling people about his new-found faith, and how through Jesus, there was no fear of death.  Soon, a small group was meeting weekly, completely made up of silver haired retirees.  And, over a period of several years, Job’s “pew” expanded to several smiling senior citizens.  Most of these have already gone home to glory; smiling, always smiling.  Oh, that we were all like Uncle Job!

Day 27: Don’t Just Know..Obey

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Focusing is so hard for me.  There are so many different thoughts and ideas going through my head each day that can confuse almost anyone, including myself.  Lately I have been stuck on the subject of calling.  What am I called to do?  Today hit me right between the eyes with some other things I have been reading and listening to about calling.  Os Guiness said “Our first calling is to be close to God.”  So many times I want to figure out what my gifts are and then decide and tell God what I should do.  But what if it is and was as simple as listening to God and being in his word and then reflecting that to others through us.  It’s not about our gifts but about God’s giftings through us.


I had lunch with a friend of mine today who “gets me.”  I shared how I felt like I had failed at 3 things in the last couple of days and was just feeling like I was nothing.  He pointed out how hard I am on myself and I need to maybe slow down and not do so much.  In our Discipleship Group, where we practice something similar to three thirds, we identified 3 things that are our identity in Christ.  We looked at Jesus life and took the following 3 to focus on


1)Get Messy: Jesus didn’t stay on the sidelines.  He was a light in the darkness and with those in the darkness.

2)Love Sacrificially: Don’t just love in feeling but love as Jesus loved.  He did the dirty work from washing feet to healing, to dieing for us.

3) Serve Continually: Jesus constantly reminded us of the upside down kingdom and he modeled it.


Later in our conversation I told him there are three things I feel like God has put on my heart.  Global Missions, Discipleship, & Equipping.  He told me directly that he feels like I wouldn’t be able do all of them well but if I would focus on Discipleship the other 2 would probably become a by-product.  I feel like I have spiritual ADD and a lot of us do.  We try do so many things because it makes us feel important but we don’t do anything deeply and well.  2 years ago I focused on just discipleship with a group of guys casting vision and being very intentional and it was amazing.  I then got distracted and lost my focus with many other “good” things.  I believe God is leading me back to a heart of discipleship and a renewed focus.  It is “slow” by the world’s standards but the impact is huge.  Spending lots of time with a few to reach the masses is Jesus model he laid before us.  Today’s challenge, along with a conversation, and an email has left me with a new focus on discipleship.  
Discipleship needs to focus on spending time with God and obeying it.  Most mature Christians probably only obey 5-10% of what they know because we have not been taught to obey.  So as we disciple new believers we should be teaching them to obey everything they learn.  I once heard of a pastor that was going through Mark with his missional community and they stayed on one chapter for around 6 weeks.  Everyone kept asking why?  He said “We haven’t learned to obey it yet.”  What if we read the bible with this expectation and took time to obey what we learned instead of continually puffing ourselves up with knowledge.

Discipleship When Life Is Busy: Day 27

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Day 27: Empowering Those Around Us.  Discipleship and community are so important.  That is something that we have seen time and time again throughout this challenge.  We need other believers for support, for encouragement, for accountability, and for other perspectives/ideas.  That’s what this challenge is all about.  At the church I attend, one of our core values is: Live in community with a spirit of unity.  I think that paints a beautiful picture of the church and ideally of these three-thirds study groups.

Last year, I actually started a three-thirds study group, well sort of.  I wanted to start a bible study at work (bear in mind, this was a new job where I really knew only one person).  I asked some of the girls that I had met and we began meeting together once a week before work.  I didn’t follow the three-thirds format completely (many times I left out the application part…it’s hard to do accountability with people you don’t know, but I wish I would have included it), but it was so nice to be able to meet together and pray for our work place and study the bible together.

Today I made a list of people who I would like to invite to a three-thirds study group, however, I decided not to set it up at this time because I know that my life/schedule is about to change drastically (as are the lives of many of the people on my list).  I work for the school district and school gets out in 2 weeks.  During the month of June I am planning to be out of town 3 of 4 weeks, so in the interest of starting a group that I will actually be able to attend, I am planning to contact them and set up a time to meet in July.  I have been yearning for a discipleship group of women that I can be a part of.  Our church has a women’s ministry that meets, but it is at a time I am unable to attend, so I feel that this would be a perfect opportunity to put together a group of women to do life together and study the bible together.  Just to make the commitment a little more real, I am putting a reminder in my phone to contact these people and get this three-thirds group set up.  I am really excited about starting this group and because I anticipated that this would be a part of the study, have been praying about the people I would ask for a while.

How to Get Your Church Involved in Disciplemaking

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Interview with Harry Brown, trainer and leader of disciple making movements and individuals like David Watson (author of Contagious Disciplemaking), Jerry Trousdale (author of Miraculous Movements) and Richard Williams (author of Discipleship Principles to Transform the Church).


How to Get Your Church Involved in Disciple Making

  • We value what we can measure or celebrate. We need an advocacy to measure what God is doing and celebrate it so others are excited


What is a disciple?

  • Being a Disciple is about being a life-long learner. But learning is nothing without doing so I think that is is fair to say that being a Disciple is about being a life-long practitioner.
  • Powerful distinction between being a Believer in Jesus and a Follower of Jesus
    • The distinction is rooted in the Gospel you respond to
      • A ‘Gospel of Salvation’ produces Believers who get heaven and miss hell
      • A ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ produces Followers who seek to obey the King in everything.
    • The reality in the spiritual realm is that, “What You Win Them With is What You Win Them To.’
      • If you came to Jesus for His free gift of salvation you think and act differently than if you responded to His call to embrace the cross and die daily.


How to Make a Disciple

  • For a disciple making movement to happen, the first thing we need is to have a disciple worth multiplying.
  • This is all about transferring good DNA
  • The role of a Good Father is to raise a Good Son who will become a Good Father
  • The key is that you are not just Saved From Something – Saved For Something
    • The universal assignment to bring the Kingdom of God into your Circle of Influence!
  • The game changer here is that Jesus’ plan would center on ordinary people
  • The new world order would have the common man at the center and the learned professionals on the fringe
  • I have told anyone who would listen through out my 40+ years of professional ministry that I am the exception not the rule. If God’s plan depended on full-time Christian workers, there would be no way to complete the mission because they are too few and cost too much to ever get the job done.
  • What Jesus was pointing to was the ‘Miracle of Multiplication’ which is illustrated in the Parable of the Sower
    • ¾ of the seed was lost
    • But the seed that found good ground multiplied 30/60/100 times
    • The unstoppable power is that each of those seeds has the potential for 30/60/100!


  • We are in a war that can only be won by soldier changing sides. Our job is not to eliminate the lost by getting them saved, our job is to enlist them as followers who repeat the process with others.
  • Obedience Based Reproductive Discipleship – Though we might not all have the GIFT of evangelism, we’ve all been commanded to EVANGELIZE and thereby MULTIPLY disciples.
  • Teaching them to obey is about learning to die every day
  • Mosaic World View.’ What that means is that I see the world not in terms of geography, language or culture but as a collection of interconnected affinity groups.
    • These affinity groups all represent various segments of society
    • The untapped power of the Great Commission is for the Gospel to ripple from one segment to another where people crossover.
      • Firehouse illustration: Unity within Diversity while on the job but each one represents a ‘gateway’ to a segment when they go home.
    • Headline Statement: To have an honest conversation about completing the Great Commission, you have to focus on ordinary people multiplying disciples in their natural networks of friends and family.
    • ‘Gateway People’ (entry point to a segment in Scripture)
      • Lydia (Acts 16) – Wealthy Merchant
      • Zaccheaus (Luke 19)
      • Nicademus (Jn. 3)
    • 1 Cor. 11:1 “Follow me as I follow Christ” embodies the spirit of the concept. It forms a picture where I am reaching back to help those behind me but also reaching forward to receive the help I need.
    • The other dimension is about ‘getting better together’.
      • The New Testament is full on ‘one another’ passages that range from ‘love one another’ to ‘admonish one another’ to ‘stimulate one another’ to love and good deeds.
      • This can happen to a small degree when we gather on Sunday but the greatest expression comes when there are smaller segments of the Body of Christ that are committed to help each other get where they want to be.
    • Jonathan Training at Emerald Hills specific training about how to raise up teams of disciple makers who will make disciples cross-culturally in conjunction with Team Expansion… and for those folks, to me it often reminds me of that famous YouTube clip in which the airplane manufacturing teams are continuing to build the airplane once the plane is aloft. We don’t wait, in the gospel of the Kingdom, until we have a perfect airplane, before we launch the airliner. We get up in the air and then put the finishing touches on things.


It Begins With Me


  • Mark 5 Jesus casts out demons and commissions the restored man to go home and share what God has done.
  • It is a healthy question to ask, “Am I the person God called me to be?” But since none of us will fully ‘arrive’ don’t wait to begin to obey what you know.
    • 3:13 Forgetting what lies behind, reach forward to what lies ahead – Press
  • The picture for discipleship is ‘every day in every way’
  • Concepts, Tools, Resources
    • – 30 days of challenges. Free practical next steps in bite sized chunks emailed daily.
    • Wesley Self-Examination Model – determine and work “growing edges”
    • Group in Africa implementing these principles since 2014. 112 groups. 750 in attendance. 481 baptisms – majority converted Muslims. 70 more waiting for rain to be baptized.
  • Formula to complete the Great Commission is 2 + 2 = 4
    • If there are 2 billion Christians in the world and everyone made one disciple in one year, then 2 + 2 would be 4 billion Christians.
    • In the second year, 4 + 4 billion would be 8 billion Christians!
    • In a world with a population of 7+ billion that is a profound thought
    • Smaller scale: 100 disciples making one disciple per year is 500k+ disciples in 10 years!
  • Great Commission is like a stair case. If you stop short of the top stair – you don’t get where you want to go. The cornerstone of being a disciple is making disciples.
  • John 14:15 Simple equation – if you do love Me, it will evidence itself in obedience. No exceptions.
  • Like the 5 Love Languages – God’s love language is grace & mercy. Our love language to God is obedience.
  • Telling my wife on our wedding day, “I love you” doesn’t replace demonstrating my love every day.
  • Obedience is like manna – yesterday’s portion is not sufficient for today
  • Jesus directed us to, “take up our cross daily” and follow Him
  • Powerful lesson from Rev. 2,3 – Jesus speaking to the Churches – Summary:
    • I affirm what you have done well
    • But I have this against you;
      • You have done some things wrong or left some things undone
      • I will give you time to correct this
      • If you don’t there will be consequences!

Dare To Be A Disciple

  • God is easy to please, but hard to satisfy – press on!
  • Attendee Questions:
    • How do I do this in a church that’s older?
      • Things change when there is dissatisfaction, ears to hear and a plan to improve.
      • Don’t ask, “Do I have to wait on the church?” Instead ask, “What can I do to live this out in my network?” (i.e. Discovery Bible Studies)
      • Start with one person and let grow naturally
    • How should a church get started?
      • Triage people
        • Group 1 – Those that won’t change
        • Group 2 – Those that will
        • Group 3 – Those that believe “This changes my life”
      • Focus on the 3rd group and find ways to measure and celebrate what they are doing
    • Small Groups have become a hindrance.
      • Not all small groups are created equal.
      • How you start is where you’ll go. DNA starts at conception.
      • Start new groups with different DNA (purpose) rather than try to change existing ones.
    • As a college student, how do I advise leaders to join me?
      • Point to resources and concepts
      • Most powerful way is to humbly say, “I’ve been out doing this and this is what has happened. Would you like to be a part of it?”
      • Fruit speaks for itself.




Lets get better together. Let this be leaven. Help us recruit into our staff with their spheres of influence.

Spiritual Economy

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Eric D. recently wrote, “There’s a kind of spiritual or heavenly economy involved in this. It’s like we are breathing in, from God, receiving from Him and then obeying, internalizing what He has given us, making sure we embrace it. We make it part of who we are, then we exhale to the world around us, sharing what we have received.  The idea is — receive, obey, then share, which is very tied to the dual accountability of obedience and teaching others to obey which help us know it even better, as it goes from head to heart and hands. Whatever we get, we give away. It’s just the opposite of the world — which tries to keep what they get and charge others to give it to them.

So — We are blessed so we can bless. The question is — who, then, should we bless ?

First and foremost, God has placed us in relationship with many people.
We are responsible to steward these relationships.
He will hold us accountable for these relationships.

How can we be a blessing to them?

What is the next thing that we could do to empower them to take the next step in their faith journey with God and with their relational networks (including their household-oikos)?”

(Thanks Eric!)

Here’s Curtis, sharing similar thinking.