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Questions for Discussion from the Book, More Disciples

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The Revised and Enlarged Version of More Disciples (now available at Amazon) adds significant text, including Questions for Discussion. For the benefit of any who bought the “1.0” version of the book, we’re including those questions here in full so you don’t miss out.


Chapter 1

Why Make More Disciples

  1. How might you have previously answered the question, “What is a disciple?” Do you agree or disagree with the definition provided in this chapter?
  2. How did you view disciple-making before reading this chapter? Compare and contrast your prior understanding with any nuances you’ve picked up from this reading.
  3. This chapter pointed to the fact that the early church seemed all the more to thrive in the midst of persecution. Would you say there is persecution where you will be making disciples? Has the church thrived? Offer some theories as to why or why not?
  4. How might you have previously explained the parable of the lost sheep in Luke 15? As a result of reading this chapter, how has your understanding changed, if at all?
  5. If a friend were to ask, “Does making more disciples somehow add to the global voice offering glory to God,” how would you answer? Explain the basis of your position.

 

Chapter 2

A Way Forward

  1. Roland Allen’s books weren’t published until some 50 years after he wrote them. Why do you suppose it took a while for others to see value in his writings? (Try doing some research online about this question.)
  2. Some have ventured that Patterson’s approach was remarkably similar to CPM/DMM approaches used today — and it was plainly very effective for his time. Yet it can be said that relatively few churches/workers implemented his strategies. Why do you think it’s seemingly difficult for churches and leaders to change the way they do disciple-making? How might we shift the future?
  3. McGavran witnessed whole villages and sometimes entire districts coming to Christ at once. Try to picture being involved in something like that. How would it change the way you felt about evangelism and church growth? Explain.
  4. Pick one of Garrison’s universal elements that you believe is commonly misunderstood or about which people today have a misconception. Offer some ideas as to why.
  5. Garrison is a researcher. He found that the 10 Universal Elements were present in every movement toward Christ that he studied. How many of these elements might exist in the church that you attend or in the field where you hope to make disciples? How might you be a part of changing the future there?

 

Chapter 3

Disciple-Making Works

  1. Describe the growth you’ve seen so far in the church you attend or in the field where you hope to make disciples. Compare or contrast this with the case studies illustrated in this chapter. Why might God bring about such movements in one part of the world but not in another? Explain as best you can.
  2. Some of these stories seem almost beyond belief. Yet researchers like Garrison have actually visited and verified the fruit. Imagine how you might feel as you interview members of the 27th generation of disciples in a rapidly-growing movement toward Christ. How would that impact your faith in or walk with Christ? Explain.
  3. Does it bother you that the Global South might end up sending more missionaries than historically mission-active regions like the USA, Europe and Australia? Why or why not?
  4. Does it bother you that the church is growing faster in the Global South than in the Global North? Offer some of your own theories as to why this might be taking place.
  5. Do you believe movements like these can happen in North America? Why or why not?

 

Chapter 4

Prayer is the Catalyst

  1. If Jesus wants all people to be saved, why do you think prayer seems to be a universal element in launching disciple-making movements? Why do you think God seemingly waits on us to pray?
  2. How might we motivate believers to understand the potential power behind prayer? How could you do so for the initiatives that you are imagining for the church you attend or the place where you hope to make disciples?
  3. If you were asked to pray for an unreached people group, never before engaged with the Good News, what would be some of your requests to God?
  4. Take a moment to look up an unreached people group at www.JoshuaProject.net. Read about their needs and the opportunities for the Good News to spread there. Now take a few minutes actually to put into practice the concept of praying for the people about whom you’re reading.

 

Chapter 5

Obedience as the Command

  1. Describe a church you have previously attended. (It could be your home church or the one you attend now.) In what ways do you feel this church has emphasized knowledge and attendance? In what ways has this church emphasized obedience and accountability?
  2. Now that you’ve read this chapter, if it were up to you to design the perfect church, how might you recommend that we do church differently? (Note: Please avoid “trashing the bride of Christ.” Please give respect to the church leaders who have gone before us and have done the best they can with what they understood.)
  3. Have you seen churches which have emphasized teaching knowledge more than requiring obedience? If so, in your opinion, what is the root cause for this behavior?
  4. This chapter compared obedience to breathing. What was difficult or helpful for you in looking at obedience in this way? If possible, explain your answer by giving an example?
  5. This chapter opens the door to the concept that we might hear God’s voice in the present rather than merely in the past. Is this concept troubling or encouraging to you? Do you agree or disagree with the idea?

 

Chapter 6

Discovery-based Learning as the Method

  1. Assess why discovery-based learning might provide a better solution for training leaders in a fast-growing movement? Has your church or organization tried to use this approach? If not, venture guesses as to why not.
  2. Some have said that utilizing the same set of questions about each new Bible passage would become formulaic (the pattern would “get old” or become too mechanical rather quickly). Do you agree or disagree?
  3. What would it mean to you to study the Bible using discovery-based learning? Would you feel you were somehow “missing out” on the insights of a great teacher that you respect or know? Explain.
  4. You’ve probably heard before that “active learning” increases our chances of retaining information. Yet, would you agree or disagree – most churches have retained the form of teaching known as “the sermon.” Offer some best guesses about why the church has retained this approach down through the centuries. Does it create a moral dilemma for you to ponder the possibility of transforming this approach to a new paradigm?
  5. For you personally, does it bother you that discovery-based learning isn’t mentioned per se in the Bible?

 

Chapter 7

Peer Accountability

  1. Perhaps you’ve already participated in a Bible study in which you were held accountable to make decisions about your actions then follow through with them. (If not, then try to imagine it.) Does it – or would it – annoy you to have someone ask you, the following week, if you followed through? Explain.
  2. The author held that accountability works not because we want to look good (pride), but rather, because we don’t want to look bad (disobedience). Do you agree or disagree? Explain.
  3. This chapter gave some very practical ways to implement accountability at the close of a Bible study. Analyze for your life – does this concept seem too rigid or cult-like to you? Why or why not?
  4. This chapter provided an example of a Bible figure sharing his plans or next steps prior to implementing them. Do you agree or disagree that this is an example of peer accountability? Why or why not?

 

Chapter 8

Multiplying Groups

  1. This chapter doesn’t criticize a church for meeting in large gatherings. Rather, it points to a way forward that focuses on multiplication rather than addition. Can you think of an example of this in a church or campus ministry that you’ve attended? How might multiplication be a help?
  2. Think hard about your own life. This chapter speaks of regularly being part of two churches – one church or group for our own spiritual worship and a second church or group that we’re helping launch. Ponder this thought for your own life. What would it take for you to implement this concept?
  3. Evaluate the effectiveness of a church or group that you’ve attended compared to the paradigm presented in this chapter. Compare and contrast.
  4. Assume for a moment that multiplication is the best way forward. How might we help the church at large to grasp this paradigm and do it?

 

Chapter 9

Maximizing Fruit

  1. Compare and contrast the “SOAPS” Bible study approach to the one you’re using now. What are the advantages or disadvantages of each?
  2. Do you believe that being in an accountability group (such as the one described in this chapter) would be helpful for the typical believer? Do you think the typical believer is in such a group? If not, can you venture some guesses as to why or why not?
  3. What would concern you most about participating in a 3/3 group, as described in this chapter? Explain what you think might be some benefits and also some risks.
  4. This chapter offered two key approaches for increasing our own involvement in prayer. (Can you remember them both?) How do these approaches compare or contrast with typical prayer approaches used in churches you’ve attended? Give examples.
  5. Consider the town, city, people group, or country where your church is located or where you hope to make disciples. How does it change the way you think to ask the question, “What’s it going to take for all these people to hear the Good News and follow Jesus?”

 

Chapter 10

Im pacts on Disciple-Making

  1. Offer some of your best guesses as to why you believe the church seems to flourish in the midst of persecution.
  2. Examine your own life and the amount of time you have to add activities or approaches. When you read the ideas in this book and process the time it would take to implement them, is it sobering for you? Why or why not? How will you personally decide about your time priorities?
  3. Have you ever experienced cross-cultural confusion or “shock?” Give an example.
  4. The author wrote in this chapter that the church can expand rapidly within a common language and/or culture. Is there a language or cultural group that you wish could know and follow Jesus? If so, describe it.
  5. This chapter presents the concept of filtering for a “person of peace” to help introduce you to another culture. Have you ever experienced anything like this (someone introducing you to a new group or crowd)? If so, describe how it worked. Analyze how it might work with the Good News of Jesus.

 

Chapter 11

Templates for Training

  1. This chapter provides several formats for introducing CPM/DMM strategies in your church or in the place where you hope to make disciples. Imagine for a moment… why would you think the author would offer these formats? What were his intentions? In your opinion, are those intentions valid? Most importantly, how effective would you say his proposed formats might be in your church or in the place where you hope to make disciples?
  2. Evaluate the question: “Is it sneaky to start the organic way?” (In other words, must we gain the approval of our church or organization’s leaders in order to experiment/experience CPM/DMM approaches?)
  3. In your opinion, does the multiplicative approach remind you of network marketing? How is it similar? How is it different? Does it bother you to think of Jesus as asking us to “market” (i.e., persuade people to follow) the Good News? Why or why not?
  4. In your experience, where do these ever-expanding chains break down? In other words, offer some guesses as to what might sabotage a movement.
  5. Based on your learning style, would you rather be involved in a “live training” with an “expert” (an experienced disciple-maker) or would you be comfortable using a web-driven tool like Zúme as your learning approach? Explain.

 

Chapter 12

Tools and Tips for Im plementers

  1. This chapter presents 17 tools or tips for those wishing to launch CPM/DMM in their particular context. Pick out the top three approaches that would seem the most practical and effective for you, in your church or context. Explain why you chose those three.
  2. Consider the idea of making a list of people for whom you will pray. Does it bother you to think you might be on such a list (that someone else made)? Explain why or why not.
  3. For your learning style and preferences, would you rather learn “Creation to Judgment” (C2J) or the Three Circles Life Conversation? Explain why. What would it take for you to learn such a tool well? Would it be helpful? If so, what’s stopping you?
  4. This chapter mentioned that it might feel, at first, intimidating to think of baptizing someone. Does it seem that way to you? Why or why not?
  5. Is it hard for you to lead others? (For example, are you afraid you’re not good enough to do so?) Explain your answer by referencing the section, “Duckling Discipleship.”

 

Chapter 13

Frequently Asked Questions

  1. This chapter attempts to discuss how CPM/DMM views the existing church. Explain why that question is difficult to answer. (Hint: Remember that “CPM/DMM” isn’t an organization but an organic collection of strategies and life practices.) In light of what you’ve now learned (or learned previously) about CPM/DMM, how do you view the existing church. (Remember — never trash the bride of Christ.) In an ideal world, what would be your perfect design for the church?
  2. Sometimes in the past, the idea of “discipleship” has meant other things than the way the term “disciple-making” is being used in CPM/DMM world. Compare and contrast with some of the meanings you’ve heard previously. How is the CPM/DMM usage helpful or not helpful? Why?
  3. This chapter pointed out that some CPM/DMM trainers emphasize only baptizing groups (never individuals). How do you feel about this idea? This chapter asserted that the Bible gave examples of instances in which individuals were allowed to come to Christ as individuals. Do you agree or disagree? How do you reconcile these two seeming contradictions between some trainers’ philosophy and these case studies from the Bible?
  4. Analyze the difference between emphasizing “works” and accountability (in CPM/DMM strategies). How do you feel about the difference?
  5. Do you think CPM/DMM will, in the end, be a fad? Give your reasoning.

 

Chapter 14

A Call for Unity

  1. Try to think of an example of a new product or movement that began with one individual or one company. In those cases, how did it help or hurt the promotion and acceptance of that product or movement? In your opinion, how does it help or hurt that CPM/DMM strategy wasn’t “invented” or isn’t shepherded, as such, by any one person or organization?
  2. At this point in your understanding of implementing CPM/DMM strategy and life practices, would you rather be bold in your proclamation? … or do you see yourself more “laid back?” How will you react when you meet someone who feels it’s imperative to be more forthright in one’s presentation of the Good News? Explain why.
  3. Can you think of any other examples in which Godly men and women have disagreed about doctrine or biblical approaches? Name a couple and give examples of how this has helped or hurt the growth in Kingdom of God worldwide.

 

Chapter 15

Epilogue: Understanding Faithfulness

  1. Curtis Sergeant feels that two ideas have caused a number of problems in the church today. Which do you think has caused more problems than the other and why?
  2. Does it bother you to consider that you might be following someone who is still “learning to ride a bike?” (In other words, could you see yourself following an imperfect mentor?) Explain your answer.
  3. There have been some disturbing studies recently, like the one referenced in this chapter by Lifeway Research. Can you remember any recent findings about Christendom that shocked you? For example, something about a certain generation falling away or a study about how many people can’t remember what the Great Commission is? How can you reconcile these findings with our current method of discipling believers? In other words, what has gone wrong? How would you fix things if you were in charge?
  4. Where are you on the spectrum of knowledge versus practice? For example, do you believe God can work through a new believer to win or teach others? Why or why not?
  5. This chapter emphasizes a humble spirit for all teachers. Can you remember a preacher or pastor who seemed a bit prideful? How did it impact your willingness to listen and obey?

 

Wrapping up

Questions for Discussion about the book as a whole:

  1. What did you find most interesting in this book? What did you like?
  2. What did you find most difficult? What caused you the most confusion?
  3. What did you learn about people in this book?
  4. What did this book teach you about God?
  5. Is there anything in this book that you feel called to obey? What will you do about the things you’ve learned? What will be your next step? How will you begin implementing these teachings? Explain.
  6. Is there someone you might be able to train about any of these concepts? (Please write down a name.) Who can you tell that might hold you accountable to do that?
  7. With whom can you share this book and these teachings?

21) Rob Jankowski: Relational Stewardship / Chat

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In this, the 21st episode of the More Disciples podcast, we join Rob Jankowski at a training program with the church he leads, New Hope Christian Church in Whitestown, Indiana. He explains relational stewardship and also “CHAT.”

Also, check out these resources for CHAT:
Background for CHAT groups
CHAT Group Questions
CHAT for Children

Oikos Mapping

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In this brief video by Chuck Wood, we learn about Oikos mapping, especially as it relates to praying for those we haven’t met yet — and for those we HAVE met who are still far from God.

Discipleship Through the Eyes of Youth: Day 27

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Today’s challenge was to make a list of 5 people who you could call and ask to start a 3/3rds group with. I made my list of a few girls who I want to continue to meet with even after I go off to college so I think starting a 3/3rds group with them would be a good way to hold ourselves accountable to our meetings. I’m going to meet with the girls I have in mind once I get back from vacation in person and talk to them about it. Hopefully we will be able to start a 3/3rds group together!

Day 27 – Oikos Groups

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I immersed Uncle Job into Christ when he was in his late 70’s.  He had been born in the hometown of Confucius.  Was raised Buddhist.  He had traveled the world as a merchant marine; and had studied every world religion.  When he met Jesus, he immediately knew Jesus was the real thing he’d been searching for all these years.  Operating upon the belief that he had not much time left; his mission field became the local park, which he walked twice daily.  Uncle Job never tired of telling people about his new-found faith, and how through Jesus, there was no fear of death.  Soon, a small group was meeting weekly, completely made up of silver haired retirees.  And, over a period of several years, Job’s “pew” expanded to several smiling senior citizens.  Most of these have already gone home to glory; smiling, always smiling.  Oh, that we were all like Uncle Job!

Day 27: Don’t Just Know..Obey

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Focusing is so hard for me.  There are so many different thoughts and ideas going through my head each day that can confuse almost anyone, including myself.  Lately I have been stuck on the subject of calling.  What am I called to do?  Today hit me right between the eyes with some other things I have been reading and listening to about calling.  Os Guiness said “Our first calling is to be close to God.”  So many times I want to figure out what my gifts are and then decide and tell God what I should do.  But what if it is and was as simple as listening to God and being in his word and then reflecting that to others through us.  It’s not about our gifts but about God’s giftings through us.

 

I had lunch with a friend of mine today who “gets me.”  I shared how I felt like I had failed at 3 things in the last couple of days and was just feeling like I was nothing.  He pointed out how hard I am on myself and I need to maybe slow down and not do so much.  In our Discipleship Group, where we practice something similar to three thirds, we identified 3 things that are our identity in Christ.  We looked at Jesus life and took the following 3 to focus on

 

1)Get Messy: Jesus didn’t stay on the sidelines.  He was a light in the darkness and with those in the darkness.

2)Love Sacrificially: Don’t just love in feeling but love as Jesus loved.  He did the dirty work from washing feet to healing, to dieing for us.

3) Serve Continually: Jesus constantly reminded us of the upside down kingdom and he modeled it.

 

Later in our conversation I told him there are three things I feel like God has put on my heart.  Global Missions, Discipleship, & Equipping.  He told me directly that he feels like I wouldn’t be able do all of them well but if I would focus on Discipleship the other 2 would probably become a by-product.  I feel like I have spiritual ADD and a lot of us do.  We try do so many things because it makes us feel important but we don’t do anything deeply and well.  2 years ago I focused on just discipleship with a group of guys casting vision and being very intentional and it was amazing.  I then got distracted and lost my focus with many other “good” things.  I believe God is leading me back to a heart of discipleship and a renewed focus.  It is “slow” by the world’s standards but the impact is huge.  Spending lots of time with a few to reach the masses is Jesus model he laid before us.  Today’s challenge, along with a conversation, and an email has left me with a new focus on discipleship.  
Discipleship needs to focus on spending time with God and obeying it.  Most mature Christians probably only obey 5-10% of what they know because we have not been taught to obey.  So as we disciple new believers we should be teaching them to obey everything they learn.  I once heard of a pastor that was going through Mark with his missional community and they stayed on one chapter for around 6 weeks.  Everyone kept asking why?  He said “We haven’t learned to obey it yet.”  What if we read the bible with this expectation and took time to obey what we learned instead of continually puffing ourselves up with knowledge.

Discipleship When Life Is Busy: Day 27

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Day 27: Empowering Those Around Us.  Discipleship and community are so important.  That is something that we have seen time and time again throughout this challenge.  We need other believers for support, for encouragement, for accountability, and for other perspectives/ideas.  That’s what this challenge is all about.  At the church I attend, one of our core values is: Live in community with a spirit of unity.  I think that paints a beautiful picture of the church and ideally of these three-thirds study groups.

Last year, I actually started a three-thirds study group, well sort of.  I wanted to start a bible study at work (bear in mind, this was a new job where I really knew only one person).  I asked some of the girls that I had met and we began meeting together once a week before work.  I didn’t follow the three-thirds format completely (many times I left out the application part…it’s hard to do accountability with people you don’t know, but I wish I would have included it), but it was so nice to be able to meet together and pray for our work place and study the bible together.

Today I made a list of people who I would like to invite to a three-thirds study group, however, I decided not to set it up at this time because I know that my life/schedule is about to change drastically (as are the lives of many of the people on my list).  I work for the school district and school gets out in 2 weeks.  During the month of June I am planning to be out of town 3 of 4 weeks, so in the interest of starting a group that I will actually be able to attend, I am planning to contact them and set up a time to meet in July.  I have been yearning for a discipleship group of women that I can be a part of.  Our church has a women’s ministry that meets, but it is at a time I am unable to attend, so I feel that this would be a perfect opportunity to put together a group of women to do life together and study the bible together.  Just to make the commitment a little more real, I am putting a reminder in my phone to contact these people and get this three-thirds group set up.  I am really excited about starting this group and because I anticipated that this would be a part of the study, have been praying about the people I would ask for a while.

How to Get Your Church Involved in Disciplemaking

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Interview with Harry Brown, trainer and leader of disciple making movements and individuals like David Watson (author of Contagious Disciplemaking), Jerry Trousdale (author of Miraculous Movements) and Richard Williams (author of Discipleship Principles to Transform the Church).

 

How to Get Your Church Involved in Disciple Making

  • We value what we can measure or celebrate. We need an advocacy to measure what God is doing and celebrate it so others are excited

 

What is a disciple?

  • Being a Disciple is about being a life-long learner. But learning is nothing without doing so I think that is is fair to say that being a Disciple is about being a life-long practitioner.
  • Powerful distinction between being a Believer in Jesus and a Follower of Jesus
    • The distinction is rooted in the Gospel you respond to
      • A ‘Gospel of Salvation’ produces Believers who get heaven and miss hell
      • A ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ produces Followers who seek to obey the King in everything.
    • The reality in the spiritual realm is that, “What You Win Them With is What You Win Them To.’
      • If you came to Jesus for His free gift of salvation you think and act differently than if you responded to His call to embrace the cross and die daily.

 

How to Make a Disciple

  • For a disciple making movement to happen, the first thing we need is to have a disciple worth multiplying.
  • This is all about transferring good DNA
  • The role of a Good Father is to raise a Good Son who will become a Good Father
  • The key is that you are not just Saved From Something – Saved For Something
    • The universal assignment to bring the Kingdom of God into your Circle of Influence!
  • The game changer here is that Jesus’ plan would center on ordinary people
  • The new world order would have the common man at the center and the learned professionals on the fringe
  • I have told anyone who would listen through out my 40+ years of professional ministry that I am the exception not the rule. If God’s plan depended on full-time Christian workers, there would be no way to complete the mission because they are too few and cost too much to ever get the job done.
  • What Jesus was pointing to was the ‘Miracle of Multiplication’ which is illustrated in the Parable of the Sower
    • ¾ of the seed was lost
    • But the seed that found good ground multiplied 30/60/100 times
    • The unstoppable power is that each of those seeds has the potential for 30/60/100!

 

  • We are in a war that can only be won by soldier changing sides. Our job is not to eliminate the lost by getting them saved, our job is to enlist them as followers who repeat the process with others.
  • Obedience Based Reproductive Discipleship – Though we might not all have the GIFT of evangelism, we’ve all been commanded to EVANGELIZE and thereby MULTIPLY disciples.
  • Teaching them to obey is about learning to die every day
  • Mosaic World View.’ What that means is that I see the world not in terms of geography, language or culture but as a collection of interconnected affinity groups.
    • These affinity groups all represent various segments of society
    • The untapped power of the Great Commission is for the Gospel to ripple from one segment to another where people crossover.
      • Firehouse illustration: Unity within Diversity while on the job but each one represents a ‘gateway’ to a segment when they go home.
    • Headline Statement: To have an honest conversation about completing the Great Commission, you have to focus on ordinary people multiplying disciples in their natural networks of friends and family.
    • ‘Gateway People’ (entry point to a segment in Scripture)
      • Lydia (Acts 16) – Wealthy Merchant
      • Zaccheaus (Luke 19)
      • Nicademus (Jn. 3)
    • 1 Cor. 11:1 “Follow me as I follow Christ” embodies the spirit of the concept. It forms a picture where I am reaching back to help those behind me but also reaching forward to receive the help I need.
    • The other dimension is about ‘getting better together’.
      • The New Testament is full on ‘one another’ passages that range from ‘love one another’ to ‘admonish one another’ to ‘stimulate one another’ to love and good deeds.
      • This can happen to a small degree when we gather on Sunday but the greatest expression comes when there are smaller segments of the Body of Christ that are committed to help each other get where they want to be.
    • Jonathan Training at Emerald Hills specific training about how to raise up teams of disciple makers who will make disciples cross-culturally in conjunction with Team Expansion… and for those folks, to me it often reminds me of that famous YouTube clip in which the airplane manufacturing teams are continuing to build the airplane once the plane is aloft. We don’t wait, in the gospel of the Kingdom, until we have a perfect airplane, before we launch the airliner. We get up in the air and then put the finishing touches on things.

 

It Begins With Me

 

  • Mark 5 Jesus casts out demons and commissions the restored man to go home and share what God has done.
  • It is a healthy question to ask, “Am I the person God called me to be?” But since none of us will fully ‘arrive’ don’t wait to begin to obey what you know.
    • 3:13 Forgetting what lies behind, reach forward to what lies ahead – Press
  • The picture for discipleship is ‘every day in every way’
  • Concepts, Tools, Resources
    • moredisciples.com – 30 days of challenges. Free practical next steps in bite sized chunks emailed daily.
    • Wesley Self-Examination Model – determine and work “growing edges”
    • Group in Africa implementing these principles since 2014. 112 groups. 750 in attendance. 481 baptisms – majority converted Muslims. 70 more waiting for rain to be baptized.
  • Formula to complete the Great Commission is 2 + 2 = 4
    • If there are 2 billion Christians in the world and everyone made one disciple in one year, then 2 + 2 would be 4 billion Christians.
    • In the second year, 4 + 4 billion would be 8 billion Christians!
    • In a world with a population of 7+ billion that is a profound thought
    • Smaller scale: 100 disciples making one disciple per year is 500k+ disciples in 10 years!
  • Great Commission is like a stair case. If you stop short of the top stair – you don’t get where you want to go. The cornerstone of being a disciple is making disciples.
  • John 14:15 Simple equation – if you do love Me, it will evidence itself in obedience. No exceptions.
  • Like the 5 Love Languages – God’s love language is grace & mercy. Our love language to God is obedience.
  • Telling my wife on our wedding day, “I love you” doesn’t replace demonstrating my love every day.
  • Obedience is like manna – yesterday’s portion is not sufficient for today
  • Jesus directed us to, “take up our cross daily” and follow Him
  • Powerful lesson from Rev. 2,3 – Jesus speaking to the Churches – Summary:
    • I affirm what you have done well
    • But I have this against you;
      • You have done some things wrong or left some things undone
      • I will give you time to correct this
      • If you don’t there will be consequences!

Dare To Be A Disciple

  • God is easy to please, but hard to satisfy – press on!
  • Attendee Questions:
    • How do I do this in a church that’s older?
      • Things change when there is dissatisfaction, ears to hear and a plan to improve.
      • Don’t ask, “Do I have to wait on the church?” Instead ask, “What can I do to live this out in my network?” (i.e. Discovery Bible Studies)
      • Start with one person and let grow naturally
    • How should a church get started?
      • moredisciples.com
      • Triage people
        • Group 1 – Those that won’t change
        • Group 2 – Those that will
        • Group 3 – Those that believe “This changes my life”
      • Focus on the 3rd group and find ways to measure and celebrate what they are doing
    • Small Groups have become a hindrance.
      • Not all small groups are created equal.
      • How you start is where you’ll go. DNA starts at conception.
      • Start new groups with different DNA (purpose) rather than try to change existing ones.
    • As a college student, how do I advise leaders to join me?
      • Point to resources and concepts
      • Most powerful way is to humbly say, “I’ve been out doing this and this is what has happened. Would you like to be a part of it?”
      • Fruit speaks for itself.

 

 

 

Lets get better together. Let this be leaven. Help us recruit into our staff with their spheres of influence.

Spiritual Economy

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Eric D. recently wrote, “There’s a kind of spiritual or heavenly economy involved in this. It’s like we are breathing in, from God, receiving from Him and then obeying, internalizing what He has given us, making sure we embrace it. We make it part of who we are, then we exhale to the world around us, sharing what we have received.  The idea is — receive, obey, then share, which is very tied to the dual accountability of obedience and teaching others to obey which help us know it even better, as it goes from head to heart and hands. Whatever we get, we give away. It’s just the opposite of the world — which tries to keep what they get and charge others to give it to them.

So — We are blessed so we can bless. The question is — who, then, should we bless ?

First and foremost, God has placed us in relationship with many people.
We are responsible to steward these relationships.
He will hold us accountable for these relationships.

How can we be a blessing to them?

What is the next thing that we could do to empower them to take the next step in their faith journey with God and with their relational networks (including their household-oikos)?”

(Thanks Eric!)

Here’s Curtis, sharing similar thinking.