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Webinar Notes – “My Friend Just Asked, ‘What About God?’ – Now What?”

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March 16, 2017 Webinar Notes

“My Friend Just Asked, “What About God? – Now What?” featuring  David Watson, DMM Trainer with CityTeam and author of “Contagious Disciple Making”

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  • Today’s Webinar
    • What might 24/7 prayer (and a 24/7 prayer room) do for your outreach?
    • How do we go from “Hi” to a Discovery Bible Study (DBS)?
    • How might God use a DBS to lead your friend to Christ?
  • David – 30 years, church plants in 168 countries
  • Why is Disciple Making Movements (DMM’s) important to future and growth of the local church?
    • Resistant communities were resistant to Christianity as religion but not towards the Gospel
      • How do we present the Gospel without transmitting religious culture with it and have them take it into their culture?
      • Experimented for awhile and the Discovery Bible study (DBS) came out of that process
      • Listen to God without listening to me as a religious person
    • What is a Discovery Bible Study (DBS) and what does a typical one look like?
      • A DBS is used in a Discovery group
      • DBS – Simple 3 column inductive Bible Study
        • 3 parts
          • Write down the scripture
            • Engages different part of brain for learning
          • Tell someone else about this scripture in their own words
            • Demonstrates understanding and engages other part of brain
          • If this is from God, what are you going to do about it? How will you obey?
            • Gets people engaged in listening to God from his Word
          • DBS Group – Uses this study as a platform to grow a group process that leads to church
            • Group is responsible for establishing DNA of new church
              • What are you thankful for?
                • Leads to worship and prayer later as they become believers
              • What challenges/struggles do you have in your life?
                • Leads to intercession and ministry in community itself
              • Are there other people in the community that are going through the same thing and how can we help them?
                • Leads to prayer and ministry outside the body of Christ
              • What does this teach us about God?
              • What does this teach us about man?
              • If this is from God, what are we as a group going to do about it?
              • Who are you going to tell it to?
                • Leads to evangelism in community
              • Last week, how did it go with your sharing?
                • Leads to accountability in the process.
              • How long do they last?
                • 45 mins but for every person you add, it adds time.
                • 5 people – can be hour and half vs 20 several hours
                • Keep group in 5-8 people until believers
                • Then combine those that become believers into larger group meeting which later becomes a “church”
              • Example
                • First was worst as learning
                • Step 1 Enter community to become acceptable outsider
                  • Access of some kind (i.e. business or ministry meeting needs/ disaster)
                • Step 2 Find people God prepared to go to and hear the Gospel from a person of a different source
                  • Person of Peace
                  • To find them, I have to be a conspicuous spiritual person
                    • Person of prayer
                    • Cares
                    • Intimate with God
                    • Spiritual
                  • They must be looking for spiritual answers
                  • Hard to find them. You need to be a beacon of light and draw them to you by living and working in community very conspicuously spiritual
                  • Everywhere we have lived, our home as become known as a house of prayer or healing. People would show up and asking for prayer/healing.
                • Step 3 Begin having spiritual conversations
                  • Mini DBS – Informal, raising spiritual questions, asking them to discuss with family/friends
                    • “I was reading this morning that God knows everything. What do you think about that?
                    • “Why don’t you go back to your community and see what they think about it.”
                  • Not a person of peace unless they can go back to community and able to discuss spiritual matters
                  • In fact, Satan may send them to distract you from finding the person of peace, if they are not willing to share
                  • You can still fellowship with them but don’t spiritually invest
                  • People that bring back questions and comments from family and friends and then help them understand and look for themselves and ask what they think.
                  • Learning takes place in dialogue not monologue
                • Step 4 Move toward formalizing it by negotiating with them
                  • “We’ve been having a lot of spiritual conversations and coming from the Holy Book I read. Can we sit down and read together and walk through process together with family and friends? You can see it directly instead of my opinion.”
                  • This leads to DBS group
                • Step 5 Immediately identify spiritual leader in group (this may or may not be the person of peace)
                  • Coach them to lead the group (not me)
                    • If I lead a group, Im the expert and nobody will talk or come up with ideas
                    • If I coach a person from their own group that’s “lost” to just ask the questions to the group, their discussion is much more animated.
                    • Questions may come back to me through person I’m coaching
                    • Realizes doesn’t take an expert, it just takes them, Word of God and studying to come to a place of giving their life to Christ
                    • Give them written/printed verses and questions each week (or oral recording)
                  • House of Prayer – How does your house begin to look like that among a people group?
                    • Prayer Walking – Walk around own community and pray. People will engage you and ask questions.
                      • “I’m a person of prayer and I would love to pray for you and any problems you may have and giving thanks to God for things that are happening in your life.”
                      • Never had the lost turn down prayer. Pastors and Christians have…but not the lost.
                      • Even in hindu, muslim, Buddhist, animist – they want someone spiritual to be talking about
                      • Most common request is health and second is financial (poverty/provision for food/school)
                    • Engage them in prayer in community
                    • Keep prayers conversational
                      • “Who are you talking to?”
                      • “I’m talking to God. He calls me His friend so I talk to Him like a friend.”
                    • Word gets out that you’re a person of prayer and people come to your house
                    • Prayer alter in foyer. First thing people see.
                      • Globe, Bible, 3 element light (trinity), Cross and prayer list (book we open that people can sign into it)
                    • God begins to answer prayers in peoples lives. When there’s something done outside of what I could do, they start to pay attention and want to know more about this God because we haven’t been seeing this from our god.
                    • People start talking about prayer and a community around those spiritual issues begins to form and they want to know more.
                    • 24/7 Prayer Room – Paul Rogers, Elder from Church in Indiana. Prayer team has created 24/7 prayer room. Watch this video: https://vimeo.com/159434859
                  • Going from “Hi” or prayer to a DBS
                    • Movement starter – My role isn’t to win a soul to Christ or to start a church. I start a movement, which is churches starting churches
                    • Think about the multiplication from the beginning.
                      • Don’t see an individual in need of God. See a doorway to a community that is in need of God.
                      • It’s a group process…not typically done as an individual.
                      • I coach the leader and avoid stepping into the group. If I do, it usually will not replicate.
                      • Relationship – still engage and fellowship in community with them but not in group
                    • Those groups begin to multiply and can even start more groups before they are believers. Very common
                    • Alot of cultures you work with have a teacher/guru mentality, one central spiritual authority that tells you what to think, believe and do.
                    • Move to John 6:43-45 Jesus says the Father is going to be your teacher. Everyone who listens and learns from God will come to Christ.
                    • How can I get people to listen to God and not from me or my church? We will see at some point, these groups will multiply.
                    • Only about 20% of groups you start will continue. That means you aren’t wasting your time.
                    • Those that do go through completion of receiving Christ, living as a Christian, character issues, learning how to be a church, learning how to be leaders and equipping them through the same DBS process. Everything points back to His Word.
                    • Question: Process sounds fuzzy. Groups grow 5-8. What does it look like when it splits?
                      • Never hiving or splitting. That will destroy them.
                      • Start new groups with new people. Everyone in group has relationships. Instead of bringing them in and catching them up, let’s start another group with them. They start the same process from beginning. Now coaching 2 facilitators, etc.
                      • Focus on groups that continue, not ones that quit.
                      • This can take up to a half year where they love or hate God but still believe in Jesus. But 25-30 come to Christ. Establish relationship with God not me.
                      • Believers start having group meetings which develop into churches.
                    • Describe how DBS started in an example
                      • Largest is still going. Started in 1994 and it’s up to over 200,000 churches with avg church size of 60. No limitations because in country densely populated.
                      • Over 36,000 churches in last 10 years in Muslim environment in Africa.
                      • Jeff Sandall in North Carolina is over 1,000 groups in US
                      • Some start in US and jump to other countries and grow more quickly
                      • Potential is always astounding. Not unusual at year 3 to see 500-600 new churches (not groups) (especially in Africa)
                      • Size varies on community.
                        • Muslim cap around 30
                        • Nonmuslim caps around 65
                          • Leadership issues – Take a lot of training for larger size
                        • Government Restrictions on meeting size
                          • China – only allows families or groups of 8 to meet
                        • Insider can take a spiritual conversation much deeper than an outsider
                        • Ideas move or fail very quickly so you aren’t wasting time
                        • Lots of time meeting, praying, coaching, mentoring church leaders.
                        • Starts slowly. Stay with it 3-4 years.
                        • Spend 2-4 years with leadership and church but during that time they may start 20-25 more churches. I focus on growing leaders and they take over evangelism side.
                        • Encourage them and challenging them to expand.
                        • If church doesn’t reproduce by 2 years, they wont. Don’t give them my time.
                        • Focus on leaders that are doing something, facing extreme problems but still moving.
                        • Harder cross cultural issue isn’t race but religion
                      • Questions
                        • What difference does the context make when you see these work? For example, working on approach like this in the West versus doing in place never heard the Gospel? Not used to prayer answered in miraculous way.
                          • Easiest place to do this is no contact or adversity against Christianity at all. No preconceived ideas. Don’t even use “Christian” or “church”.
                          • Muslims taught that we are corrupt. Start with moral sections. “Does this sound corrupt to you?” Then broaden reading so they realize it is historical dialogue.
                          • Hardest is Western and highly Christianized area like South Korea.
                            • Expectations of what a church is becomes a filter for everything they hear. When you help them deconstruct this, they will start to listen to the Word again.
                            • Maybe left church in anger
                            • Did business with a Christian and cheated me. Christians sleep around.
                          • I want to learn to be a friend of God. (John 15 No longer slave but friend)
                            • Most cultures friend means something
                            • Ask “What do you think it means to be a friend of God?”
                          • Worst thing you can do is mix people that don’t know God with people that think they know God as Christians. Those groups rarely succeed.
                        • How do you adapt the group to the US context if you have to when in Western society? What questions are helpful? Does it look exactly the same?
                          • We don’t change anything. Same everywhere we go.
                        • As the groups begin to start 2nd & 3rd generation groups, do you find people are members of more than one group? How does that work?
                          • Don’t encourage them to be member of two groups. Be member of primary group and then coaching the facilitator in other group. (1 hr/wk)
                        • If a person is a FT missionary, they have plenty of time. If person has FT job. What’s typical number of hours per week? What can a wife/mother can do?
                          • Any gender can engage in this with their circle of influence
                          • Spent most of my life as FT worker and missionary
                          • 8-10 hours/week to ministry, you can start groups that replicate. Maybe a little slower because coaching time. This alone can be 25-30 hrs/week.
                        • What scriptures can a person can/should include? After you get through discovering God set, and discovering obedience set, what’s next? Where do you start?
                          • moredisciples.com – Scripture sets will be posted
                          • Primary beginning is understanding His 8 primary characteristics and we choose verses that teach that
                            • Righteous, all powerful, everywhere, knows everything, source of grace, hates sin, keeps promises, provides for our salvation
                          • Then present God incarnate.
                          • Many quickly become believers if they make it to this point.
                          • Then once they believe, they go back go back to first set as believers.
                          • One Another passages – 77
                          • What are the functions of the church? Do through primary leader of group to coach their church
                          • Discovery leadership
                          • Discovery church planting to places you don’t know anyone
                        • What do you call them? DBS groups?
                          • I don’t call them anything in the group. Not a group or church but the people will call it a Bible Reading Group. I avoid naming things because that is cultural.
                          • Name may be negative to their culture or portray something not true
                          • If it gets named, it gets named by the local people
                        • In US, people often changing jobs and moving to new community. If someone moves, do you coach them to start new group.
                          • Always coach anyone that moves if we can maintain the relationship and get them to start one where they live.
                        • Resources – Need more information
                        • What will you do to obey?
                          • Not just knowing but obeying
                          • Relationship of obedience
                          • We start all workers in great commandments and great commission
                            • Love God
                            • Love people
                            • Going
                              • Making disciples
                              • Establish Churches
                              • Teaching them to obey everything God has commanded
                            • If you don’t Go, nothing happens.
                            • If you go but don’t make disciples, nothing happens
                            • If you go and make disciples but don’t establish churches, lasts less than a gen
                            • If you go and make disciples, baptize but don’t teach obedience, then it’s a cultural church that doesn’t reach out to community in loving God and people
                            • All 4 are reproducing model as one depends on the others.

 

 

Webinar Notes – The Magic of Multiplication: How my church can make it happen

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April 27th Webinar Notes – “The Magic of Multiplication: How my church can make it happen” featuring Dr. George Patterson

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Dr. George Patterson – “Insightful, pastoral and lively”, 83 years old, Sebring, FL

  • Today’s Webinar
    • We will explore the possibilities of growing your church, both internally and externally, through the magic of multiplication
    • Since 1970’s, Dr. Patterson trained pastors and planted churches in Central America, then continued training church planters at Western Seminary (1989-2007)
  • Why obedience? Booklet written in 70’s “Obedience-Oriented Education and Evangelism by Extension” (Later changed to “Theological Education and Evangelism by Extension”)
    • I went to teach in traditional Bible institute with classroom training with theory that would multiply churches but it didn’t work. Had hundreds of villages to reach.
    • Shifted to extension in villages to teach elder types, win them to Christ, train them in homes.
    • God blessed & church started to multiply
    • Snag
      • Older pastors/students opposed it because they weren’t ordained by their standards
      • Baptisms & Lords supper “not valid”
    • Obedience to Jesus comes before man-made rules
    • Curtis Sergeant – orthodoxy vs orthopraxy = knowledge vs obedience
    • How did it play out?
      • Went to one village and his disciple went to others
      • 15 yrs almost 100 churches started. Nothing compared to today but great for “the day”
      • Home churches unheard of
      • Did everything “wrong” but basic principles from New Testament (NT)
    • Same or Different from DMM?
      • Similar, attuned to NT, power of Holy Spirit, glorify Christ above all and keep things simple to multiply rapidly
      • Curtis has clarified NT principles and easy to follow
      • George uses NT as filter. If church policy/practice not required in NT…it’s out. Keep to what Christ and apostles have commanded. All healthy movements use this filter.
      • Audience Question: Patterson’s book “Come Quickly Dawn” – written in Spanish to train pastors in Honduras, novel story, traditional church works their way through problems and hundreds of home churches. Based on true events. People learn better from illustration instead of abstract lecture.
    • Movements Surprising?
      • The most productive decade in history. Surprise or expectation? Not surprise because NT teaches multiplication & reproduction. Christ’s parables show this and multiplication is God’s norm but vastly neglected. But surprised by extent that multiplication carried. What they saw in Central America doesn’t compare. Thrilled me to see Holy Spirit work.
    • Recommendations for DMMs?
      • Movements started by missionaries with traditional background. Have principles but not experience. I beg you not to try to work the principles mechanically. Doesn’t work. Have a passionate love for Christ that motivates them. If you love Me obey my commands…this produces the movement.
      • Biggest errors – come from Western background with separate programs. Need to integrate, combine spiritual gifts, blend pastoral training with church planting, 1 Cor 12, Eph 4, Rom 12, Do all to the glory of Christ. Less book reading/ abstraction and jump in and obey Jesus out of passionate love.
      • Tough to teach passion – more caught than taught. Can’t teach. Take an apprentice on a trip to see the churches multiply. A day or two observing will do far more than months of lecture/books. Model as Jesus and Paul. Let them make mistakes. Learn much faster and accurately.
      • Model in Honduras – take a principle, teach it, hold them accountable to 65 topics to emphasize.
        • Kept track to what his disciple would agree to do. Next time, had him report for accountability in presence of other trainees, peer pressure
        • I must share fully responsibility for them doing it effectively in Holy Spirit as they are.
        • Bible college about regurgitation of words, phrases & beliefs but you held them accountable to commands of Christ and other NT commands. God holding them accountable and holding themselves accountable.
        • Taught academic, accountable to obedience & then multiply 2 Tim 2:2
      • Married to Booklets? – some being trained were poor readers, and they couldn’t afford books. So made tiny booklets that got right to the point. Made it easy to read and do.
        • Paul-Timothy.net – Galen Currah’s site – George Patterson’s legacy 117 free study booklets – walk person through practice and then obedience in a simplified way. 60 languages around the world. Needed them for home churches in India.
      • This idea of accountability & obedience built into DBS (Discovery Bible Studies), 3/3rds. How could you imagine these practices integrated with local church in USA today. Preachers speaks, people return every week but how do we know they are leaving and applying. How can we integrate these NT principles?
        • It is happening now – traditional churches starting to send workers from their church to start home churches for people that will not attend traditional church
        • Key – don’t ever require whole congregation to change. Every church has a few members that are eager to do more for Christ and serve. Ministry positions filled so sit frustrated. Free them and turn them loose to start home churches. Require what Christ and apostles required and nothing else. Can retain mother church doctrine and denomination but not held to man-made rules but amazing to what can happen through the Holy Spirit.
        • Church needs to simplify programming so people can focus on multiplication? Overly busy and lose sight of the core things?
          • Jesus was the great simplifier. Took Torah and reduced them to one sentence. To simplify you must know core issues of Christ’s/apostles commands and apostolic practices
          • For Westerners, greatest difficulty in simplifying, way too slow in obeying Jesus
            • Ethiopian asked to be baptized immediately
            • Don’t delay in obeying Jesus, delay is decay
            • Rapid obedience
          • What if not pastor yet…attending meetings…how do we hold them accountable? May not even be believer. Word “pastor” was used once in NT for humans besides Jesus (Eph 4). Concept of Sr Pastor I respect but not in NT. Shepherding always done by elders. Not hung up on it. Don’t hold to manmade rules to who can baptize. Phillip did and was not an ordained pastor.
            • We have formalized roles more than what was done in NT and placed unrealistic conditions that slow movement down.
            • Person not believer but interested – prepare them for next meeting for them to tell a story about Jesus and will convert themselves.
            • One of greatest enemies of free flow of God’s grace in America is we are all striving for excellence, let’s lower the bar/standards until they are just Biblical.
            • moredisciples.com – 30 multiplication principles, bite sized, emailed daily
          • What will it take to change course here in U.S.? (lack of growth)
            • God already bringing change about and letting older denominations decline
              • House churches growing without high-tech and high academic programs with no place in scripture. Impossible model to imitate. Must be able to imitate for multiplication.
              • Americans are “satisfied” “wealthy”. Multiplication will happen among younger, post moderns, poorer. Not in older denominations that traditions are so heavy that they are impossible to reproduce rapidly.
              • Rabbit vs Elephant – Elephant = longer gestation and one baby.
              • Stop making idol of “bigness”- easier to win people to Christ in their own home or friend’s, own people, clothes
            • Mentor and Multiply Website – passion to see 1,000 come to Christ and must be done through thinking small and house churches. Larger congregation, the less members are involved in evangelism per member. Christian Schwartz proved this through research, greatest hindrance is size.
            • Any changes you would make?
              • More skill modeling – less lecture/books/classroom. Train like Christ and Paul.
              • More careful about holiness in my own life. I would get careless. Lost temper on field, not very loving. Be more gentle & patient except about obeying Jesus and expecting people to grow.
            • Advice you would give to a beginner to maximize impact?
              • Obey Jesus above all – 7 basic commands and base ministry on general commands
              • Go with someone who is actually planting, go to learn, keep mouth shut, observe, learn, take notes, ask questions…not to bless the poor. Short time doing that is worth more than studying about it.
              • One thing taught with most feedback — out of love for Jesus, obey Him above and before all else. Memorize His basic commands: repent, believe, be baptized, Lords supper, love, pray, make disciples Lord blesses that if done in love & obedience
            • Resources
            • What’s next for you?
              • Beginning to write curriculum, Bible school in Cincinnati to reignite John Wesley’s home church movement of “class meetings”. Writing on all levels.
              • Curriculum geared to rapid multiplication for Christ and break loose from heavy that holds back